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Dr. Clyde Angel, John Sullivan, and Dr. Vincent Starnino

At My Core, I’m Not the Same: Spiritual Injury and Military Trauma (part 2 of 2)

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“[With regard to the] resolution of anger – we are working at people’s core. And, if an individual sees himself getting angry all the time, or others tell him, “you know you are just angry all the time,” they start thinking that is their core. “At my core, I am just an angry person.” And they may not like angry people, themselves, so now they don’t like themselves. By telling them to get deeper, see what is underneath that, they’ll find that what might be their core has more to do with fear and hurt than it does anger.”

Dr. Clyde Angel,
John Sullivan, &
Dr. Vincent Starnino

In part two of a two-part podcast, our guests Dr. Clyde Angel, John Sullivan, and Dr. Vincent Starnino continue their discussion related to spiritual injury and military trauma. They describe the conception and process of creating their program. Observing that traditional evidence-based treatments did not easily address the existential issues they were hearing about from their clients, our guests explain how they developed the key components of their program. Feedback from participants and continuing evaluation efforts conclude the conversation.

Clyde Angel, DMin., BCC, LPC, VHA-CM, has been Chief at Chaplain Services at the Richard L. Roudebush VA Medical Center since November 2008. He completed a Masters of Divinity in 1987 and a Doctor of Ministry degree from the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky in 1993. His post-doctoral work focused on counseling and mental health. Chaplain Angel is a veteran of the U.S. Army and currently works extensively with veterans in relation to post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) and substance abuse in addition to his administrative responsibilities as director of the Chaplain Service Department at the Indianapolis VA Medical Center.

John Sullivan, retired LCSW, had his own private practice for over 45 years. His clinical experience includes working in state, federal, profit, and nonprofit institutions. He received his MSW from the University of Missouri School of Social Work. He was an adjunct professor at the University of Indiana, Purdue University in Indianapolis (IUPUI), and University of Indianapolis and was a field instructor for graduate students at IUPUI School of Social Work. Mr. Sullivan has authored a book called Subhuman Behavior and was a member of Conscience Works Research Group.

Dr. Vincent R. Starnino, LCSW, PhD, is an associate professor at Indiana University School of Social Work (IUPUI), where he teaches individual therapy and group work courses in the mental health and addictions concentration. Dr. Starnino has experience conducting research on innovative and holistic practice approaches focused on improving mental health, including those that take spiritual components into consideration. He has conducted research and has published on recovery-based interventions for people diagnosed with severe mental illnesses and has expertise in both qualitative and quantitative research, including intervention research. Dr. Starnino has most recently conducted a study examining spiritual wounding among veterans with PTSD, discussed in this episode.

Interviewer: Thomas Nochajski, PhD

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